I’ve been in touch with Rick. There will be a maintenance release (I don’t know when exactly). Although I’m not sure of his specific goals, I suspect some of the obvious bugs will get squashed.
Once again: Can we have CI source codes in Subversion on CIforge.com?
Why? You can download the latest version from the website. The only reason for a community repository would be if CI had multiple community developers working on it. At the moment this is not the case.
IMHO:
- the moment is coming if Rick will make 1 post in 2 months
- There are many bugs reported
- There are feature requests permanently ignored by Rick
- community develoment is a native feature of every good open-source project
IMHO:
- the moment is coming if Rick will make 1 post in 2 months
- There are many bugs reported
- There are feature requests permanently ignored by Rick
- community develoment is a native feature of every good open-source project
Point 1: I agree. It would be nice if Rick made a post to state where CI stands currently.
Point 2: Can’t deny that.
Point 3: How did you come to this conclusion? Haven’t you been following this thread? Rick isn’t ignoring it, he just doesn’t have the time at the moment (or if he does perhaps he is working on it?)
Point 4: CI isn’t community developed at the moment. Until Rick decides it is time to do so it won’t be.
Point 3: I speak from experience. Mark, search for terms: encoding, utf8, i18n, l10n. Rick has no interest to make CI usable for all nations around the world. He never posts in similar threads.
Point 4: There has been already discussion about possible fork
Point 3: I speak from experience. Mark, search for terms: encoding, utf8, i18n, l10n. Rick has no interest to make CI usable for all nations around the world. He never posts in similar threads.
Point 4: There has been already discussion about possible fork
Unless he has explicitly said so, I don’t think it’s right accuse Rick of not having interest in international support based on what you say. For one, Rick doesn’t post in most threads. His last post was on Nov. 20. For two, you can’t just assume that because he hasn’t done it yet, he’s not planning to. In regards to the fork, IMO that would only fragment the community and ultimately weaken both projects. Also, unless it’s blessed by Rick, I think it would be an insult to him. I don’t know him personally, but he has given me (and everyone else here) a powerful tool that has helped me both become more productive and also grow as a programmer. For that he has earned my respect and my patience for him to catch up with his life for a while. In it’s current state, it’s not perfect, but it still freakin’ rocks. CI is sufficiently open to allow extensions for just about everything anyone needs. As far as bug fixes, I’m sure they are coming soon. In the mean time, they are posted in the forum so we can apply them ourselves.
josef, have you ever tried using utf-8 in a real and running application? i did with my last project and i swear it’s a real PITA ... you have to mess around with everything ...
as for “community development”:
need i remind you that there’s still people asking about php basics all the time in this forum?
i don’t think the community is “strong enough” (in terms of php) to develop CI yet
1. Yes i have used utf8, and i prefer to work with 8-bit encoding too. PHP has poor utf8 features. But sometimes you must use utf8 to build multilingual website. http://codeigniter.com/forums/viewthread/46207/
PS1: Building multilingual website is not only about utf8.
PS2: I always suggest to consider Java for big multilingual website.
2. Do you think that other open-source projects have hundreds of coders commiting to CVS?
I think people like Jozef have a legitimate point about CI not having “proper” internationalization. I don’t need it, and I would be fine with waiting until PHP6. But those who DO need it must be frustrated indeed. I am no expert in it, but I have had enough encoding problems with Spanish accents in iso-8859-1 vs. utf-8 to know it is a VERY difficult task.
The other major limitation of CI is being PHP4 based. Which is also an advantage if your hosting service does not offer PHP5. This has been discussed extensively.
I don’t think I have ever seen anyone seriously proposing forking here. I probably bring it up more than anyone else, just to remind people of a major advantage of open source software.
Suppose someone did have the time and the technical and management skills to fork CI and open it up to community development. And suppose there were enough developers to write it in PHP5 and add internationalization. One of my concerns about that would be that the forked version would be much more likely to be susceptible to “feature-itis”. Most of the proposals for feature requests would be nice for a few people and just add to bloat for everyone else. One of the things I like about Rick is that he does act (eventually) on suggestions that he thinks would make CI better for most users, while sitting on those (especially from other frameworks) that would take CI farther from the “lean and mean” ideal it began with.
There are MANY free, open source projects in use today whose developers are no longer active, or release a few changes every year or so. Rick is NOT an inactive developer. There have been many feature or maintenance releases in the past year. We hear there is a maintenance release coming soon, and after the major revisions to ExpressionEngine, we can probably expect to see some of those improvements filter into CI. Unless Rick loses interest in CI or expresses interest in it, I would almost certainly stick with him if someone decided to fork CI. For those who absolutely HAVE to have internationalization or PHP5, forking might seem to be more attractive. I would wish them the best ... probably Rick would too, he could fold any changes he liked back into CI ... but I think their chance of success would be small.
@linuxbz: I agree with you.
About fork: I like CI because it is very flexible. I have already replaced the original Language class with my own class and config file for each locale used in my project. The Language class has i18n and l10n features and of course it is ten times bigger
I do not need to fork right now But i am frustrated about some changes Rick makes without consulting with community, e.g. removing the init files for libraries.
Anyways i think the languge is good enough for internalization for the moment. You might not be able to make an english/chinesse website but not many frameworks can. Anyways CI is perfect for French, Spanish, English, Italian, Portuguese, and most other languges. Lets take one step at a time.
@linuxbz: I agree with you.
About fork: I like CI because it is very flexible. I have already replaced the original Language class with my own class and config file for each locale used in my project. The Language class has i18n and l10n features and of course it is ten times bigger
I do not need to fork right now But i am frustrated about some changes Rick makes without consulting with community, e.g. removing the init files for libraries.
Well, Why dont you post your additions in the Wiki and contribute?
But i am frustrated about some changes Rick makes without consulting with community, e.g. removing the init files for libraries.